Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

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Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by EdS » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:49 pm

Guys,

Can anyone shed some light on the properties of the bieker 5 hm mast
as far as
- bend characteristics,
- weight
- crew weight suitability
-whether it is over built (very conservative)/ under built (min weight, max performance gain/fragile) or about right ( I know that is qualitative)
- who can provide one.

If anyone has some info that would be gratefully received.

Thanks,

Ed
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Re: Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by rand » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:33 am

I've got one, I've raced one race with it, but haven't put the new sails on it yet.

Hopefully tomorrow (now that the boat is out of the container) we'll get the sails on and see how they look.

From I've heard this mast is supposed to be stiffer than most of the current crop of masts (except for maybe the B6 mast?), buty is much bendier than the '96 Willits mast that I have been sailing (maybe 2x bendier). It feels light, but I have not tried to weigh it.

Kris Henderson builds them in Seattle.

That is about all I can offer at the moment.
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Re: Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by BWR » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:16 pm

Ed,
Ask the same ? later in the week when we have seen some comparisons. Everyone is traveling to HI as I type. Will have better comparisons from most variable Bieker rigs including HM and B6 which will be the 1st time they have sailed against each other, will also have comparisons of a c-tech rig in similar B6 hulls. I believe there will be 4 B6 hulls, 2 w/ B6 rigs, one w/ HM B5, and one w/ C-tech. Most B5 hulls will have B4 rigs. One B3 hull will have the HM rig. Great info comming in the next wk.
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Re: Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by rand » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:37 pm

10 boats unloaded yesterday :-)
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Re: Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by EdS » Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:13 pm

Sounds great.

Enjoy yourselves over there and looking forward to a review when once you have all got back.

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Re: Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by Hendo » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:36 am

Hi Ed, lots of looks at the B5hm rig and they were all smiles. :D
seems like a rig that every one can deal with, I'm building a couple this winter , want one?
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Re: Bieker 5 HM? How does it compared to S3, hm3

Post by rand » Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:50 pm

So two B5 masts at US Nationals. Dave Hayter modified his a bit to make it stiffer (carbon track, uni on the front, wider shrouds). He sailed with flat sails and was very very very fast.

I sailed with a stock B5 mast and Alexander sails, which at the dock seemed very full. But when the wind came up it didn't take much cunningham at all to flatten them out, lots of vang to tighten up the lower leach (hard to judge but the lower leach seemed to fall off a lots more and a lot faster than the head of the sail when letting off vang). I was very happy with the rig, with a third and a fifth at weather mark roundings in the nationals (besting Dave in one of those). We do have many other issues that kept us averaging 10th that have nothing to do with the mast and sails…

From lots of experience… I would say that I love righting the boat with the new mast, the smaller internal volume holds a lot less water and makes for a much quicker righting. Also the rig is just plain lighter than what I'm used to, and I was able to be a lot more agressive in jibes, a lot less turning down after the jibe. Unfortunetly for Gary and I, as was often a bit too agressive…

If you need or want a new rig, I give it a thumbs up!
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